Protesting the FARC
The Associated Press has a story about today’s Facebook-led global “One Million Voices Against FARC” march (which includes a noon meeting in Charlotte—I would consider checking it out but have class at the same time) and how it reveals some of the splits within Colombia about how to deal with violence and even who exactly to protest. In particular, the Democratic Pole will hold a separate rally to protest all violence, including the paramilitaries. Families of hostages also do not support the protest, saying it should be pro-freedom and not simply anti-FARC.
Meanwhile, the FARC wants Hugo Chávez back into the mix and so has announced they will release three hostages who are in poor health. Everything is fine as long as the FARC continues to release people without conditions but it’s hard to see the situation improving much otherwise.
And so the question becomes: does all of this change anything or do we remain on square one?
67 comments:
"Meanwhile, the FARC wants Hugo Chávez back into the mix.."
Back in the mix? He's already in it up to his neck.
Great the hostages are being released, but the motivation here is obvious. The FARC need some way out of Uribe's death grip, and their ally Chavez needs to distract from the mess he has made at home.
The last hostage release in Venezuela was followed up by the FARC kidnapping 6 more people. I wonder how many new Colombians will be tied to a tree after this latest round.
And so the question becomes: does all of this change anything or do we remain on square one?
I don't think the protest makes much of a difference in terms of Colombian domestic politics. It does help reinforce internationally that the FARC are widely rejected in Colombia and are not a revolutionary group fighting for the people.
I suppose that large protests may only represent a statement (and this sort of anti-rebel protest is unusual) but normally they also embody the hope for some sort of policy outcome. I just wondered whether this would serve in that regard.
Uribe's death grip
Pure fantasy. But try keeping up the public relations show, Paul.
It's interesting how Greg never points to Uribe's intransigence as part of the problem.
"Pure fantasy."
Hardly. No serious person disputes Uribe has at least administered a severe ass kicking to the guerillas since he took office. Of course, your master Chavez's aid to the terrorists doesn't help matters any.
"It's interesting how Greg never points to Uribe's intransigence as part of the problem."
It's interesting how Justin links guerilla sympathizing websites to bolster his arguments.
I guess Justin won't be turning out today for the march against the FARC?
It's interesting how Justin links guerilla sympathizing websites to bolster his arguments.
Sure, by Paul's brilliant definition. Of course, his "definition" of a "guerrilla-sympathizer" is so expansive that it includes anyone who doesn't support a free trade accord with Colombia.
"Sure, by Paul's brilliant definition. Of course, his "definition" of a "guerrilla-sympathizer" is so expansive that it includes anyone who doesn't support a free trade accord with Colombia."
Don't forget yourself! But all anyone has to do is read the other articles from that site and you get a good taste of it. And we know the clown you linked to sure loves himself some FARC!
I guess you won't be turning out, in between bong hits, then for the march against the terrorists?
...but normally they also embody the hope for some sort of policy outcome.
I think everyone wants to see the hostages freed. But you're right in the sense that there is a wide variety of opinion in Colombia as to the policy on how to get that done.
I guess you won't be turning out, in between bong hits, then for the march against the terrorists?
Oh, the march is against "terrorism," you say. Well, in that case, the Polo Democrático has the right idea. The protest ought to be against all violence, including that of the paramilitaries, because it's pretty well-established that the FARC haven't been the only purveyors of "terrorism" in Colombia.
I'll take that as a "no."
When will you be marching against paramilitary terrorism, Paul?
Back in the mix? He's already in it up to his neck.
The only people gullible enough to be taken in by anonymous sources who claim that Chavez is complicit in the drug trade are Washington hacks like Boz and ultra-rightists like Paul. Serious analysts of media recognize that any report that relies on anonymous sources should be viewed with skepticism. Remember Judy Miller?
El Tiempo has some video up. Looks like they got a decent sized crowd in Paris.
"When will you be marching against paramilitary terrorism, Paul?"
If I can get out of work, I probably would, and as long as it isn't organized by communists like yourself.
"Serious analysts of media recognize that any report that relies on anonymous sources.."
Meanwhile, "serious analyst of media," Justin relies on reports from terrorist sympathizing turds like Garry Leech.
If I can get out of work, I probably would, and as long as it isn't organized by communists like yourself.
Joseph McCarthy died in 1957, Paul. That was more than 50 years ago. And despite the fact that his red-baiting was roundly discredited, we still end up with ultra-rightist holdovers like yourself. Why is that?
"And despite the fact that his red-baiting was roundly discredited.."
Ha, do you deny the credentials? I think the real question is how you can be a Marxist in 2007. Got any more pro-terrorist websites we should be reading?
I think the real question is how you can be a Marxist in 2007.
You don't even know what Marxism is, Paul.
"You don't even know what Marxism is, Paul."
I know a Dorm Room Revolutionary when I see one. But perhaps I should brush up on the subject by reading one of your pro-FARC websites.
Hey, how come you never sent me any pictures of your raucous good times in Colombia?
I think everyone wants to see the hostages freed. But you're right in the sense that there is a wide variety of opinion in Colombia as to the policy on how to get that done.
More meaningless pablum from Boz, of course. Somehow he overlooks the fact that there are a whole hell of a lot of Colombian rightists who were jumping in joy about the failure of the initial hostage release. These people are extremely afraid of any act that might put pressure on Uribe to negotiate in good faith. These folks couldn't give a rat's ass about the hostages' lives.
"..whole hell of a lot of Colombian rightists who were jumping in joy about the failure of the initial hostage release."
Who are these people? Any examples?
"These people are extremely afraid of any act that might put pressure on Uribe to negotiate in good faith."
Speaking of meaningless pablum, Justin wants "good faith" with the guerillas, the savages who kidnapped these people in the first place. Most Colombians just want them defeated. On the other hand, the "mediator" Chavez, is an ally of the guerillas, making the "good faith" requirement on his part a rather hard sell.
Meanwhile, Justin has nary a negative word to spare for the terrorists who are despised by the Colombian people almost universally. His wrath is reserved for Uribe, the man who is kicking his FARC friends' asses. "Good faith," indeed.
"These folks couldn't give a rat's ass about the hostages' lives."
Hilarious. This from someone with a gigantic man-crush on the FARC's great ally, Hugo Chavez.
"For weeks, invitations to the march flew through cyberspace, mainly among the young and relatively wealthy who use Facebook in a country where about one in four can afford to use the Internet regularly. But as momentum grew, so did criticism of the march's narrow focus."
Yawnnnnnn. One in Four? That's why FARC still exists.
Hey Justin,
Why don't you propose a pro FARC/ pro Chavez march to see how it compares?
Hey Justin,
Why don't you propose a pro FARC/ pro Chavez march to see how it compares??
Hey Anonymous,
Why don't you try learning how to make an actual point?
Never have I expressed even the slightest desire to see a "pro FARC" march. What I --and what Colombian human rights groups-- have called for is a negotiated settlement to the country's civil conflict.
Exactly so. That's what I wanted to hear.
Then just admit that it was a civil demonstration against the uncivil guerillas which NOBODY, not even you supports.
So let it be a good day against the unelected narco kidnappers.
Anger is not good my friend, relax.
Hasta la victoria siempre.
Boz, thank you for that article from the Observer.
Justin you should post it. It's a left wing medium you love to quote. Act in the same fashion yuo expect others to act and post stories that may personally affect your feelings. In that way you may start gaining credibility:
“All the sources I reached agreed that powerful elements within the Venezuelan state apparatus have forged a strong working relationship with Farc. They told me that Farc and Venezuelan state officials operated actively together on the ground, where military and drug-trafficking activities coincide. But the relationship becomes more passive, they said, less actively involved, the higher up the Venezuelan government you go.”
“A less uncontroversial claim, made by all the sources to whom I spoke (the four disaffected guerrillas included), is that if it were not for cocaine, the fuel that feeds the Colombian war, Farc would long ago have disbanded.”
“The infrastructure that Venezuela provides for the cocaine business has expanded dramatically over the past five years of Chávez's presidency.”
“The tactical benefits of this Bolivarian (after the 19th-century Latin American liberator, Simón Bolívar) solidarity reach their maximum expression in the multinational cocaine industry.”
"The deserters I interviewed said that not only did the Venezuelan authorities provide armed protection to at least four permanent guerrilla camps inside their country, they turned a blind eye to bomb-making factories and bomber training programmes going on inside Farc camps."
"Sometimes they provide us with an escort for the next phase, which involves me and other comrades getting on to the lorry, or into a car that will drive along with it. We then make the 16-hour trip to Puerto Cabello, which is on the coast, west of Caracas. There the lorry is driven into a big warehouse controlled jointly by Venezuelan locals and by Farc, which is in charge of security. Members of the Venezuelan navy take care of customs matters and the safe departure of the vessels. They are alive to all that is going on and they facilitate everything Farc does."
"The truth,' one senior police source said, 'is that if Venezuela were to make a minimal effort to collaborate with the international community the difference it would make would be huge."
"'If Hugo Chávez wanted it, he could force Farc to free Ingrid Betancourt tomorrow morning. He tells Farc: "You hand her over or it's game over in Venezuela for you." The dependence of Farc on the Venezuelans is so enormous that they could not afford to say no.'"
"Never have I expressed even the slightest desire to see a "pro FARC" march."
No, he just spreads pro-Farc propaganda, in between Chavez boot licks.
"What I --and what Colombian human rights groups-- have called for is a negotiated settlement to the country's civil conflict."
Yeah, "good faith" and all that. The cops are morally equal to the criminals. Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of the Colombian PEOPLE support Uribe's policy of smashing the guerillas. He's got them on the run, so isn't it convenient to see the Left screeching for a "negotiated settlement."
Oh, still waiting for some examples of all those joyful "Colombian rightists" who wanted the hostage release to fail.
And what did Mr Chavez have to say, on the very day of the march?
"En buena parte, Venezuela no limita con Colombia sino con las Farc, dijo presidente Hugo Chávez."
and..
"Las fuerzas insurgentes de Colombia tienen otro Estado, que tiene leyes, que las aplican, que las hacen cumplir. Es una realidad que no se puede seguir desconociendo", afirmó Chávez.
Oh yeah, forgot this Chavez jewel:
"no son rehenes, sino prisioneros de guerra".
Justin you should post it. It's a left wing medium you love to quote.
An intelligent person judges an article not by who publishes it but rather according to whether or not the report meets some basic standards of professional journalism. The Observer report meets no such standards. It relies upon anonymous sources who undoubtedly have their own interests in peddling anti-Chavez propaganda. After the Judith Miller debacle at the New York Times, it should be well-understood that anonymously-sourced reporting is highly suspect.
Oh, still waiting for some examples of all those joyful 'Colombian rightists' who wanted the hostage release to fail.
Open your f'ing eyes, Paul. You yourself are among the guilty. You celebrated the fact that the Colombian armed forces were bombing the hostages' convoy. According to Consuelo Gonzalez, these military operations scuttled the initial release. And you obviously couldn't get enough of it.
Moreover, you weren't here around New Year's to see just how joyful anonymous was about the failure of the initial hostage release. He was jumping in joy, and then he became extremely grouchy when the hostages were successfully released on January 10. (Go back and read the posts. Even Greg, the most milquetoast of liberals, couldn't help but notice how grouchy anonymous was when the hostages were released).
For those still following the thread, El Tiempo has posted videos of the protest from around the world on their YouTube channel here.
"...who undoubtedly have their own interests in peddling anti-Chavez propaganda."
From Justin, who undoubtedly has his own interests in peddling guerilla sympathizing propaganda. Apparently, Chavez's own words cannot even penetrate the inner sanctum of the Dorm Room Revolutionary.
"You yourself are among the guilty. You celebrated the fact that the Colombian armed forces were bombing the hostages' convoy."
Wow, that's a stretch. I don't even know(or care) if your allegation is true, but if it is, I hoped they killed alot of your FARC friends, and I would have preferred the hostages safely rescued instead of giving Chavez/FARC their vile PR offensive. See the difference?
"Moreover, you weren't here around New Year's to see just how joyful anonymous was about the failure.."
Hah! So Justin has now transformed one lone anonymous commenter into
"a whole hell of a lot of Colombian rightists who were jumping in joy." What was that about basic journalistic standards you were lecturing us about?
I would have preferred the hostages safely rescued instead of giving Chavez/FARC their vile PR offensive.
Moron, you don't attempt to "safely rescue" hostages by bombing their convoy. Ask Consuelo Gonzalez, one of the freed hostages.
It's actually quite simple, Paul. The leader of Colombian rightists --Uribe himself-- appears to have sabotaged the initial hostage release. If you don't think that you and anonymous are emblematic of a whole slew of Colombian rightists who followed your leader in backing his apparent sabotage of the initial release, I can't help you.
I think the protests yesterday showed that the vast majority of Colombians want to see the hostages freed and blame the FARC for their captivity.
"Moron, you don't attempt to "safely rescue" hostages by bombing their convoy. Ask Consuelo Gonzalez, one of the freed hostages."
Uh, how many hostages were killed? Justin, are you also a Dorm Room Military Genius?
And did Gonzalez say she saw any Colombian military? No? Then how does she know it wasn't a FARC propaganda? Sounds like a good tactic to pin the blame on Uribe once they realized they couldn't hand the boy over. But I'm sure you don't believe your pals who kidnap and murder innocent Colombians would do such a thing. In any case, I don't really care if it happened, as I've said a million times, if Uribe thought he had a decent shot at wiping out some of the filth that Garry Leech finds so admirable.
"The leader of Colombian rightists --Uribe himself-- appears to have sabotaged the initial hostage release."
And the fact that the FARC didn't actually have the boy they claimed, that apparently had nothing to do with it, I guess. All we really know here is Uribe has increased the security situation since he took office in large part by kicking the shit out of the terrorists whom your master Chavez supports.
"If you don't think that you and anonymous are emblematic of a whole slew of Colombian rightists who followed your leader in backing his apparent sabotage of the initial release, I can't help you."
So, here you are constructing more of this "evidence" the "rightists" were joyfully celebrating the initial hostage nonrelease by your FARC friends. Pathetic.
I think the protests yesterday showed that the vast majority of Colombians want to see the hostages freed and blame the FARC for their captivity.
Well, it's interesting, Boz, that many of the hostages' relatives don't see eye to eye with a Washington propagandist like yourself. Ingrid Betancourt's sister doesn't see the politicization of what should be a rally for peace as constructive. Prensa Latina reports the following:
Astrid Betancourt, sister of the former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt said in statements made by phone to Venezolana de Television that the marches are not a solution for the release of detainees or for peace.
She added that it is a manipulation of hatred for FARC but not for peace in Colombia. It is a game to justify war and prevent dialogue.
The release of three former members of Congress announced here comes as a result of the mediation by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, whose mediation she considered decisive for a humanitary exchange agreement.
Relatives of detainees Eladio Perez and Gloria Polanco, who arrived today in Caracas, also criticized the marches against FARC. Colombian Senator Piedad Cordoba considered the marches an expression of hatred, racism and exclusion.
If you'd like to read Astrid Betancourt's statements for yourself, click here.
Of course, it doesn't surprise me in the least to see Boz lining up with the paramilitary-infested Colombian right, which controls Colombia's media and couldn't give a rat's ass about peace or the well-being of the hostages.
But there are other testimonies from other family members. Mostly celebrating yesterday's march.
Here for instance, a Venezuelan propagandist asks a lead question to a relative of one of the kidnapped victims:
http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=11794
Degemon, you do know Betancourt's story? Were you following Latin America when she was kidnapped? Did you follow her campaign?
In case you didn't, let me remind you that Uribe tried to save her. When she announced that she was going to FARC territory Uribe warned her publicly of the dangers. She knew better, of course. Now the family is desperate and is joinin forces with the one person who can save them: Chavez. This quote from the Observer you are so fond of explains it:
'If Hugo Chávez wanted it, he could force Farc to free Ingrid Betancourt tomorrow morning. He tells Farc: "You hand her over or it's game over in Venezuela for you." The dependence of Farc on the Venezuelans is so enormous that they could not afford to say no.'"
“Serious analysts of media recognize that any report that relies on anonymous sources should be viewed with skepticism.”
The first article you quote in this tread relies on anonymous sources. Doesn’t that make you a hypocrite?
I had a quick look at the articles you promote in your propaganda page and realized that more than half quote anonymous sources.
Follow the standards you expect others.
Accept it my friend, yesterday’s march was a success. Accepting reality is good. It will relieve you from a lot of stress and you will probably end up using less illegal Mexican stuff. Perhaps you will even accept humor.
"Well, it's interesting, Boz, that many of the hostages' relatives don't see eye to eye with a Washington propagandist like yourself."
And even a Chavez propagandist like Justin should be able to see many of the hostages' relatives don't want to be confrontational with the FARC terrorists for fear of their loved ones being massacred. But Justin, being a propagandist, wont admit that.
"..couldn't give a rat's ass about peace or the well-being of the hostages."
The hostages who were taken by the savages whom Justin propagandizes for. And shouldn't Justin be dropping the "hostages" label and start referring to them now as "prisoners of war," as his master Chavez has decreed?
Justin, those boots aren't going to lick themselves!
I had a quick look at the articles you promote in your propaganda page and realized that more than half quote anonymous sources.
Bullshit, anonymous. The sources in the reports that I cite don't hide their identities. Only cowards like yourself do that.
Of course, it doesn't surprise me in the least to see Boz lining up with...
I line up with the millions of Colombians who protested yesterday in Colombia and around the world. I want to see peace in Colombia and an end to the hostages' captivity.
I want to see peace in Colombia and an end to the hostages' captivity.
Well, according to Astrid Betancourt, the means you counsel for achieving that are designed to do exactly the opposite: to justify war and prevent dialogue. Rock on, Boz.
Well, according to Astrid Betancourt...
I can't imagine the pain of the families of all of the hostages and I hope their relatives are released from FARC captivity soon. The pain the FARC causes the families and all of Colombia are a reason I support those who protested against the FARC violence and kidnapping.
"Bullshit, anonymous. The sources in the reports that I cite don't hide their identities. Only cowards like yourself do that."
Allow me to prove you wrong, twice.
1) The article you refer us to on top in the "Pure Fantasy" link quotes:
"One senior U.S. military analyst"
2) In an article signed by yourself, Camarada Justin Delacour, precisely about the Plan Colombia you give credit to an unidentified source because it helps you to make your point. That's not all: The unidentified source is not even your own source; it is actually quoted by a third party!
The quote from yourself:
"Journalists Maud Beelman and Frank Smyth (2000) of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists have alleged that the U.S. Green Berets may have been involved in the Mapiripan massacre. They report that an unidentified Pentagon official confirmed that Colonel Sanchez received training from U.S. Special Forces at the Barranchn River base, which is located approximately 80 kilometers from Mapiripan." Justin Delacour
The source: (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
South_America/
PlanColombia_Rhetoric.html)
Doesn’t that make your article “bullshit” signed by a “coward”?
Be happy camarada. The day you control your anger things will get better and you will start making sense.
How about you quote me next time in one of your papers? After all you have shared a lot of private stuff with me. Like your habits, angers and passions.
Keep grasping at straws, anonymous. I'm very scrupulous with my sources, unlike the lame journalists that Boz introduces us to. And I've obviously got you quaking in your boots if you're looking up articles that I wrote eight frigging years ago. You're desperate, boy. Desperate.
I proved you wrong twice.
You responded with adjetives.
You are boring.
Good night.
I proved you wrong twice.
You responded with adjetives.
You are boring.
Good night.
Notice that I wouldn't bother looking up anything that you've ever written, much less anything that you wrote eight years ago. Wouldn't be worth my time.
I proved you wrong twice.
You responded with adjetives again.
You are boring again.
Good night now for real.
Sweet dreams, desperate one.
The pain the FARC causes the families and all of Colombia are a reason I support those who protested against the FARC violence and kidnapping.
But you see, Boz, unlike you, Astrid Betancourt actually has principles and recognizes that the state and its paramilitary auxiliaries are also responsible for a great deal of violence in the country. Try learning some principles from Astrid Betancourt:
Estimó que esta manifestación "no busca marchar contra todas las formas de violencia. Y si no es así ¿porque no marchan contra la violencia paramilitar y de Estado que también se vive y que ha cobrado y viene cobrando miles de victimas?", preguntó.
Millions of Colombians marched against the FARC because they recognize the pain that group is causing their country by kidnapping people like Ingrid Betancourt. I stand with the protesters.
Millions of Colombians marched against the FARC because they recognize the pain that group is causing their country by kidnapping people like Ingrid Betancourt.
And I'm certainly more inclined to trust Astrid Betancourt's judgement about what's best for the hostages than I am to trust a Washington hack whose sole interest is to peddle propaganda, not to bring about peace.
Quick recap:
Did everyone see what a flaming ass "anonymous" made of Justin? It actually made me cringe a little it was so devastating.
And then his latest response to Boz: "And I'm certainly more inclined to trust Astrid Betancourt's judgement about what's best for the hostages than I am to trust a Washington hack whose sole interest is to peddle propaganda, not to bring about peace."
This from a dude who bathes in pro-FARC media filth and then tries to spray us with the hose. And 5 million Colombians marched in Colombia yesterday, but oh well, what do they know? Clearly, the Dorm Room Revolutionary has a better take on the situation than the people who actually live there. Which reminds me, Justin, where are all those pictures of your trips to Colombia?
And Justi, why are you still referring to them as hostages when your master declared them "prisoners of war?" I want those Chavez boots licked clean, pronto! Capice?
Uh, Paul, I see only two people making utter asses of some folks here. That would be you and anonymous making utter asses of yourselves every day with all your apologetics for Uribe's authoritarianism.
Anonymous is a desperate moron, Paul. His amazing point was that I cited a secondary source in a piece I wrote eight years ago. Lots of people cite secondary sources. If you have doubts as to whether the secondary source's orginal sources were reliable, you can go look up the secondary source's work yourself. That's the point of identifying one's sources. (And by the way, the evidence that the Colombian military colluded in the paramilitary massacre in Mapiripan is overwhelming.)
Good evening Delacour.
I see you are still angry and I forgive you.
I understand Astrid. She wants her sister back and is afraid of pissing the FARC and Chavez. That is human. If my sister were kidnapped by Al Capone, I would try to gain his sympathy in any possible way.
But I respect more the hundreds of relatives of FARC victims who have the guts to confront their kidnappers. The hundreds who took part in the march:
http://www.pcplanets.com/
videoyoutube-Los-familiares-de-los-
secuestrados-y-su-voto-por-la-paz.
Another great example of decency was given by these kidnapped relatives who took part in a Chavista propaganda event. They gave this dignified response to a lead question against the march.
http://www.noticias24.com/
actualidad/?p=11794
Note that the lady who speaks is the daughter of one the kidnapped who is expected to be liberated next (the sick ones), therefore she does have something to lose.
Don't confuse your hatred for Uribe and you passion for Chavez with what's right for Colombia. Anger is not good.
You can quote me on that (since you like to use anonymous sources).
By the way my friend. When was the last time you smoke one of your Mexican cigarettes? Tell us. We are here to listen.
Anonymous,
"I see you are still angry and I forgive you. "
I don't. How many minds has Delacour had a chance to poison from his Dorm Room Revolutionary Command Post?
Paul, it was you who refered the article from the Observer. Thanks!
How many minds has Delacour had a chance to poison from his Dorm Room Revolutionary Command Post?
Poisoning minds? Hmmm, that sounds like something that Goebbels or Hitler (or, perhaps, Uribe) would say to justify the squelching of free speech. You're in great company, Paul.
"Poisoning minds? Hmmm, that sounds like something that Goebbels or Hitler (or, perhaps, Uribe) would say to justify the squelching of free speech. You're in great company, Paul."
Ha! Now I'm Hitler! Anyway, you needn't worry. I don't have the ability to revoke your license a la Chavez.
I don't have the ability to revoke your license...
Why would you want to? That's the relevant question. Your postulations are symptomatic of a highly authoritarian mindset.
"Why would you want to? That's the relevant question. Your postulations are symptomatic of a highly authoritarian mindset."
Hey, you finish licking those Chavez boots clean yet? Chop chop! Tirofijo is waiting impatiently.
Delacour,
Do you really compare Hitler with Uribe?
Ellaborate
anon,
Did you check how he accidentally compared me to his master, Mr "highly authoritarian" Chavez?
hehe.
And not a word about the Uribe-Hitler comparison.
no arguments I see
Do you really compare Hitler with Uribe?
Uribe is certainly not the equivalent of Hitler, but it is quite clear that, like Paul, Uribe is an ultra-rightist who has very little respect for free speech.
It took you long, but you did your homework.
This time you almost consider different points of view, which is quite an advance.
You even hesitate to make a straight comparison between Uribe and Hitler, which shows an intention to think.
Way to go!
I'll take the Uribe comparison as a compliment!
Too bad Justin doesn't have respect for free speech. It's a two-way street, most Leftists just want the ability to slander and lie, and the target is just supposed to remain silent while they do their damage.
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