Saturday, December 01, 2007

You know the Venezuelan referendum rhetoric is really getting weird when...

...the Finance Minister accuses the opposition of hoarding toilet paper to influence the vote. Apparently without irony he said this was "playing dirty."

18 comments:

Anonymous,  12:56 PM  

This is nothing Greg. Chavez said yesterday that after an investigation (which he started a month ago) he found out, without doubt, that Bolivar was assassinated and that there was a direct link between his killers and the opposition leaders in Venezuela. This is beyond weird, it is just lunatic.

Justin Delacour 2:50 PM  

Well, it's not like the opposition hasn't used hoarding before to try deal a political blow to the government. That's much of what the two-month "paro" in 2002-2003 was all about.

So there's nothing far-fetched about the story. The finance minister is actually a pretty level-headed guy.

Tambopaxi 3:20 PM  

Oh, those bastards in the opposition! They'll stop at nothing!

Justin Delacour 6:07 PM  

Oh, those bastards in the opposition! They'll stop at nothing!

Maybe not nothing, but the hoarding of goods and poll-cooking are indeed time-honored strategies of the Venezuelan opposition. Anybody who has seriously looked at the history knows that.

Anonymous,  6:32 PM  

I see Justin supports the toilet paper conspiracy.

Paleto,  6:36 PM  

It would be nice to see one Venezuelan supporting Chavez in this blog. It's kind of sad that the one person trying to justify Chavist stupidity is an American. Venezuelans supporting Chavez, please talk by yourselves.

Justin Delacour 7:07 PM  

It's kind of sad that the one person trying to justify Chavist stupidity is an American.

Oh, I see, Paleto; so your idea of an argument is to say no more than that somebody else's is "stupidity." Your brilliance is astounding.

The point is actually quite simple. Can anyone here seriously claim that the Venezulean opposition hasn't used the hoarding of goods as political weapon in recent Venezuelan history? If not, then you have no logical basis for claiming that the Venezuelan finance minister's story is far-fetched.

As U.S. academics go, Greg is fairly reasonable, but his problem is that he knows very little about recent Venezuelan history and thus has difficulty putting political events into context.

Paleto,  7:20 PM  

You do support the toilet paper conspiracy.

Do you also think that Bolivar was killed by the opposition?

Why are you so interested in Venezuela? As an American with Bush as your president you kind of have more pressing problems at home.

Anonymous,  7:48 PM  

From Justin a few weeks ago:

"I've expressed neither "support" for nor opposition to ending term limits in either country. As far as I'm concerned, those are questions for Colombians and Venezuelans --not Americans-- to settle."

Anonymous,  7:51 PM  

Greg doesn't know about Venezuelan's contemporary history????
Man, what are your credentials on the subject?
You are an arrogant propagandist.

Anonymous,  11:37 PM  

Whenever we (The US) find someone we feel is suitable to run your country, we'll let you dumb Venezuelans know who it is. If we felt you were even remotely capable of running yourselves, we wouldn't bother with your country. Until then, we'll run it.

Thanks.

Anonymous,  11:41 PM  

I should add that WE rule, and don't you people in OUR backyard ever forget it.

Anonymous,  1:55 AM  

Viva Justin nojodas!

Justin Delacour 1:47 PM  

Greg doesn't know about Venezuelan's contemporary history????

Man, what are your credentials on the subject?


Credentials?? It's not about credentials. It's about knowledge. Greg's is quite limited on the subject.

As any Latin Americanist could tell you, having a doctorate says nothing about one's level of knowledge about any particular country in the region.

There are only a handfull of U.S. Venezuelanists who speak with much authority on this subject nowadays. Steve Ellner, Miguel Tinker-Salas, Daniel Hellinger, David Myers, Greg Wilpert, and maybe Jennifer McCoy. A number of others pretend to speak with authority on the subject but actually rely quite heavily upon pure conjecture.

I wouldn't even pretend to have anywhere close to as much knowledge as the group above, mostly because I'm not a Venezuelanist. Most of my research is in U.S. press coverage of international affairs. Nevertheless, I have followed Venezuela closely enough over the last five years to have a fairly decent grasp of its contemporary history.

Anonymous,  7:55 PM  

You almost sounded modest Justin.

Anonymous,  12:58 AM  

Justin, I just read your latest post about Venezuela and I am just amazed at how you can even dare to consider yourself as no credibility at all.
http://lanr.blogspot.com/2007/11/
message-to-venezuelan-opposition-
sorry.html

Anonymous,  12:58 AM  

Anonymous said...
Justin, I just read your latest post about Venezuela and I am just amazed at how you can even dare to consider yourself as an expert, you have no credibility at all.
http://lanr.blogspot.com/2007/11/
message-to-venezuelan-opposition-
sorry.html

Anonymous,  1:04 AM  

The most preposterous of all speeches was Chavez's accepting the results. Two and a half hours lecturing the oposition on what they should learn after their "victorial pírrica".

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